I'll just say that the villain is secondary for me next to the more appealing thematic exploration and philosophical musing. well, I've never played Banjo Kazooie games, and I think you're oversimplifying the villain and what he represents, but let's agree to disagree since I don't really feel like getting dragged into an Atlus Shrugged debate (the Ayn Rand book the game is based on, of which many of its ideas were explored, which is essentially the main appeal of the game for me rather than how stereotypical the villain might be). There's nothing to hook me about the idea of an adventure story at all to be perfectly frank.Īs for your Bioshock argument. It doesn't help that I haven't played that many JRPGs to begin with that I wouldn't really know what distinct differences your idea of a 'standard world saving adventure story' would have from my criticized cliched ones. And while Bioshock is incredible from a thematic perspective in places, it also ends with a villain who roughly acts like Grunty the Witch in Banjo Kazooie (a person to taunt you so you want to defeat them) and saving children because 'saving children is good, doing experiments to them is gasp mean, that's a fair point, but your description of a 'world saving adventure story' is easily a turn-off for me already. I think the difference is that JRPGs generally try to have those themes happen in the context of the more standard world saving adventure story. I would disagree in the sense that I think JRPGs can put comparable themes as a major point in their game. I don't know, maybe I'll stumble onto a JRPG that offers such unique questions in the future, but I just haven't stumbled onto any yet.Įdited on Mon 8th August, 2022 20:12 by Maxenmus And to take another western RPG in comparison, there's Deus Ex: Human Revolution which is like a western Ghost in the Shell, questioning whether if our very human nature would be affected by the addition of inorganic computer parts that enhance our body. Like, I can't think of any JRPG that could match to the depths of Bioshock if I could be honest. It's why I'm thankful for western games like Detroit: Become Human or Bioshock where it's less about going on some grand ol' adventure and more about exploring the facets of the human condition (especially Bioshock, which is literally a masterpiece). And I'm pretty much long past the phase where I'm still interested in adventure stories (probably outgrew that after I turned 17 actually). Whenever I ask for a JRPG recommendation, all of the titles given to me usually have some kind of grand adventure into the unknown, uncovering some mystery or defeating some kind of evil, etc. With JRPGs, western studios are only gonna localize those that would appeal to their market (which is why many of the 'translated visual novels' only made up 10% or less of the total amount of VNs), so not everything's gonna filter through except those with popular (and overused) tropes.Īnd I guess another big difference between anime and JRPGs is that one is largely made up of adventure stories (since that's what RPGs are perfect for) and the other can be many different genres, even Lovecraftian horror or psychological thrillers exploring philosophical themes.

Even with anime, a large portion of those I watched were niched psychological anime that aren't made up of Dragonball-ish storylines. Any anime can be easily translated, but not every JRPG can be localized. The thing is though, it's easier for me to find unique and unconventional anime translated than it is for me to find unconventional JRPGs localized.

Not that I'm that put-off by the tropes, mind you, and I'll probably play my first Final Fantasy game someday, or the highly popular Chrono Trigger. It's gonna be rough for me to get into JRPGs since I'm the total opposite of you.

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